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		<title>By: Pookasydi</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Pookasydi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may sigh when I read it but I almost always agree with her message!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may sigh when I read it but I almost always agree with her message!</p>
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		<title>By: Gwytherinn</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwytherinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pfft... everyone can enjoy IBTP! Well, ok, Mike would often sigh and shake his head at the rhetoric... but I love every word. It&#039;s like... you could cry about the points she puts across, or you could delight and marvel at the cutting sarcasm and the sharp, wonderful way she strings words together. I envy her writing style, I&#039;ve always aimed for the cutting sarcasm bit but I guess I&#039;m just not comfortable enough to pull it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfft&#8230; everyone can enjoy IBTP! Well, ok, Mike would often sigh and shake his head at the rhetoric&#8230; but I love every word. It&#8217;s like&#8230; you could cry about the points she puts across, or you could delight and marvel at the cutting sarcasm and the sharp, wonderful way she strings words together. I envy her writing style, I&#8217;ve always aimed for the cutting sarcasm bit but I guess I&#8217;m just not comfortable enough to pull it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiv</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Blame the Patriarchy has some eye-opening stuff.  I enjoy that one (even though I sometimes feel like I&#039;m not supposed to, since I&#039;m not schooled in feminism and humanism?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Blame the Patriarchy has some eye-opening stuff.  I enjoy that one (even though I sometimes feel like I&#8217;m not supposed to, since I&#8217;m not schooled in feminism and humanism?).</p>
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		<title>By: Gwytherinn</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwytherinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!! Which links are you referring to in particular? Any links that really stood out to you? 

As usual, you are right on the money. It&#039;s just sometimes (ok, a lot actually) I&#039;m sitting there nodding along to some white person&#039;s response to a person of color, &quot;hey, that sounds pretty reasonable, I agree&quot; and the the person of color will turn around and smack them down with a counter argument that I never would have even come to on my own. And it&#039;s like, &quot;wow, I didn&#039;t see anything wrong with that, which shows just how damn little I know.&quot; Ok... I am gradually learning to pick things out, and recognize some of the nasty shit that can masquerade as benign. So I do see progress. But it&#039;s been slow.

As well, I&#039;ve been trying to figure out where the line between &quot;relating with someone&#039;s experiences by interjecting your own&quot; and &quot;making it all about me&quot; is. If you ever think I&#039;m doing the latter instead of the former, please feel free to smack me down. ;x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!! Which links are you referring to in particular? Any links that really stood out to you? </p>
<p>As usual, you are right on the money. It&#8217;s just sometimes (ok, a lot actually) I&#8217;m sitting there nodding along to some white person&#8217;s response to a person of color, &#8220;hey, that sounds pretty reasonable, I agree&#8221; and the the person of color will turn around and smack them down with a counter argument that I never would have even come to on my own. And it&#8217;s like, &#8220;wow, I didn&#8217;t see anything wrong with that, which shows just how damn little I know.&#8221; Ok&#8230; I am gradually learning to pick things out, and recognize some of the nasty shit that can masquerade as benign. So I do see progress. But it&#8217;s been slow.</p>
<p>As well, I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out where the line between &#8220;relating with someone&#8217;s experiences by interjecting your own&#8221; and &#8220;making it all about me&#8221; is. If you ever think I&#8217;m doing the latter instead of the former, please feel free to smack me down. ;x</p>
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		<title>By: Tiv</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this today and thought of you...for both the issue and the amazing photograph.  http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2008/01/8ce81826-4778-4cbc-b9ad-f7c39aa5524d.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this today and thought of you&#8230;for both the issue and the amazing photograph.  <a href="http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2008/01/8ce81826-4778-4cbc-b9ad-f7c39aa5524d.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2008/01/8ce81826-4778-4cbc-b9ad-f7c39aa5524d.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tiv</title>
		<link>http://www.gwytherinn.com/2008/01/04/discouraged/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So I guess the trouble lies in the issues that I thought I was pretty good about being aware of, and then realizing that maybe Iâ€™m still not approaching this in a proper way. It makes me feel paralyzed. Even in areas where I think I am â€œprogressiveâ€ or aware, I may be displaying glaring ignorance.&quot;

Aiieee, the paralysis of knowing you don&#039;t know!  Actually, it&#039;s a sign that your intelligence level is significantly above the American average.  Embrace it.  You know there&#039;s more out there than you can possibly imagine--a concept most people don&#039;t get to wrestle with.  Follow what interests you and inspires you.  Perhaps you don&#039;t know everything there is to know about women of color and feminism.  I&#039;d say you don&#039;t know everything about Southern culture and feminism, or Hispanic feminists, or Middle Eastern feminist issues, or...you see where I&#039;m going, right?  You&#039;ll never know everything.  

I suspect if you approach topics with sensitivity and genuine curiousity, you&#039;ll be rewarded.  And if someone doesn&#039;t appreciate that you&#039;re making an effort to learn, fuck &#039;em.  Go elsewhere.  (That&#039;s a personal thing.  I don&#039;t laugh at people trying to use the best English they know to talk to me; I encourage them.  My co-workers don&#039;t tell me to STFU when I ask what weapon an RG-65A is; they help me find out.)

If someone wanted to know about what it&#039;s like to be a white feminist living in an urban/suburban setting, what would be the &quot;proper way&quot; to approach you, and ask about your experiences?  Go at what YOU want to learn with that mindset.

I think too often, people are afraid to say things like, &quot;I&#039;m new to this, but would like to learn more.&quot;  

I&#039;ve learned a lot from the links on this site, by the way.  Thank you for that.  There&#039;s so much there, and I&#039;m new to a lot of it, but it&#039;s interesting to get new perspectives and ideas.  They don&#039;t all mesh with my life or my beliefs or my views, but they don&#039;t have to.

And sorry for sounding like a Life Coach On A Bravo Reality Televison Show.  I hate those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So I guess the trouble lies in the issues that I thought I was pretty good about being aware of, and then realizing that maybe Iâ€™m still not approaching this in a proper way. It makes me feel paralyzed. Even in areas where I think I am â€œprogressiveâ€ or aware, I may be displaying glaring ignorance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aiieee, the paralysis of knowing you don&#8217;t know!  Actually, it&#8217;s a sign that your intelligence level is significantly above the American average.  Embrace it.  You know there&#8217;s more out there than you can possibly imagine&#8211;a concept most people don&#8217;t get to wrestle with.  Follow what interests you and inspires you.  Perhaps you don&#8217;t know everything there is to know about women of color and feminism.  I&#8217;d say you don&#8217;t know everything about Southern culture and feminism, or Hispanic feminists, or Middle Eastern feminist issues, or&#8230;you see where I&#8217;m going, right?  You&#8217;ll never know everything.  </p>
<p>I suspect if you approach topics with sensitivity and genuine curiousity, you&#8217;ll be rewarded.  And if someone doesn&#8217;t appreciate that you&#8217;re making an effort to learn, fuck &#8216;em.  Go elsewhere.  (That&#8217;s a personal thing.  I don&#8217;t laugh at people trying to use the best English they know to talk to me; I encourage them.  My co-workers don&#8217;t tell me to STFU when I ask what weapon an RG-65A is; they help me find out.)</p>
<p>If someone wanted to know about what it&#8217;s like to be a white feminist living in an urban/suburban setting, what would be the &#8220;proper way&#8221; to approach you, and ask about your experiences?  Go at what YOU want to learn with that mindset.</p>
<p>I think too often, people are afraid to say things like, &#8220;I&#8217;m new to this, but would like to learn more.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned a lot from the links on this site, by the way.  Thank you for that.  There&#8217;s so much there, and I&#8217;m new to a lot of it, but it&#8217;s interesting to get new perspectives and ideas.  They don&#8217;t all mesh with my life or my beliefs or my views, but they don&#8217;t have to.</p>
<p>And sorry for sounding like a Life Coach On A Bravo Reality Televison Show.  I hate those people.</p>
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